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Topic: What are feelings for??
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RaethUnited States flag
I found this game to be quite complex for me:


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1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. e3 a6 4. a3 Bf5 5. Nh4 e6 6. Nxf5 exf5 7. Bd3 g6 8.
Nd2 Nf6 9. c3 Bg7 10. b4 O-O 11. Bb2 Re8 12. O-O Qd6 13. Be2 Ne4 14. c4
dxc4 15. Bxc4 b5 16. Ba2 f4 17. Rc1 fxe3 18. fxe3 Bh6 19. Bxf7+ Kg7 20. d5+
Re5 21. Rxc6 Qe7 22. Bxe5+ Qxe5 23. Nxe4 Bxe3+ 24. Kh1 Qxe4 25. Rxc7 Kh6
26. Qf3 1-0


I felt like I was losing in this game starting at about move 8 although Rybka has me with a slight positional edge.

Where things really got hairy was at move 20. I felt certain that I was losing at this point; the main line 20. d5+ Ne6 I felt actually lost for me, but it was the recommended move with me at a 6 point advantage! It took me quite awhile to finally decide on d5+ even though it was the "natural" move.

Deciding on this move actually caused me to take a vacation day because my mind was just so distracted with daily life.

In retrospect, its incredible that I could have such a strong attack and yet feel so hopeless!

Of course the main line which I was agonizing over never actually occurred!

whyBishNew Zealand flag
Yep, I'm the same unless I sit down and analyze it. It can be helpful, because it keeps you focussed on looking at the threats.


RaethUnited States flag
:-(O) Ya it took me so long to just see that the knight on e4 was unprotected.

The problem was I kept seeing 20. ... Ne6 as the refutation and it looked like it shut down my offence so totally and even threatened a future attack (1-ply away with the movement of the king) that I was distracted by all the other lines (like 20. Bxe8 (a bailout), Kg1 (prophylaxis), Nxe4 (attack on the queen with hopes of discouraging 20. ... Bxe3+) without actually seeing that the rook on e8 could not recapture my knight on e4 after Nxe4.

My mind just kept swimming around in circles with me feeling like I was surrounded by sharks. One GM even made fun of that with a statement to the effect that amateurs are so undisciplined with their calculations. /:-(

razomanPhilippines flag
Players can only "calculate" while engines can "compute." :-/

RaethUnited States flag
I guess that's what Soltis meant when he said that humans are far more efficient calculators than a computer can ever be; we can "know" instantly what a computer must determine by brute force.

You make me realize that this "knowing" can be both a benefit and a detraction; just like I "knew" that the rook on e8 would recapture the knight on e4 (which it no longer could). /:-(


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