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Topic: What is a chess master?
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| anyone4chess wrote: 1) Some people believe that a player who reaches the level 2200 (rating points) is a chess master. |
This statement is meaningless unless you say who is administering the rating system. FIDE and the various national federations have well-established systems in which the level of 2200 points can be said to mean something (though that meaning will drift with time). However, there's no reason to assume that 2200FIDE is equal to 2200USCF is equivalent to 2200BCF is equivalent to 2200 on Queen Alice.
In fact, there's good reason to assume that these ratings *aren't* equivalent. 2200FIDE probably corresponds to about 2250USCF. 2200BCF just doesn't make sense as the BCF uses a non-Elo rating system and even top grandmasters like Michael Adams have BCF ratings under 300. 2200 on this server is well below 2200 FIDE -- I wouldn't want to say how much but I'd guess at least a couple of hundred points.
As I've said before in these forums, Elo's rating system is unaffected by additive constants. You could make everyone's rating over 2200 just by adding 2200 to each rating and this would have absolutely no knock-on effects. If you would gain ten rating points by beating me today, you'd still gain ten points for beating me the day after 2200 points were added to everybody.
In short, there's nothing magical about the level of 2200 in a generic Elo rating system.
| I think because of the Internet, someone might have to re-visit this issue one day and maybe create a new class, dedicated to establishing the Internet chess GM, IM and master. |
There's no point. Cheating is so easy over the internet that a high rating doesn't necessarily indicate a strong player. Awarding titles is inappropriate.
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I dont agree this. FIDE dont control ALL chess and those titles RICHERBY names is only for members of FIDE...FIDE is not the only truth of chess. Masters of chess can be at many ways as I said before.
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I think you've misunderstood what I've written, Gambitshark. The titles FM, IM and GM are used exclusively by FIDE but FIDE *doesn't* use the word `master' on its own.
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| There's no point. Cheating is so easy over the internet that a high rating doesn't necessarily indicate a strong player. |
I have to disagree on this issue, with technology OTB play is facing real issues regarding cheating, one day it might even come down to internet players saying they wont play OTB chess because they are not sure if their opponent is cheating, sounds familiar. My point is cheating happens everywhere, and OTB players have always used this excuse to justify not playing on the internet. Now that the shoe is on the other foot I find it interesting!
The titles FM, IM and GM are used exclusively by FIDE but FIDE.... Awarding titles is inappropriate.
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FIDE may lay claim to FM if you accept that it means FIDE Master however, because FIDE uses M, IM and GM they have no legal right to these titles, 80% of FIDE rules and regulation were adopted from other organizations, FIDE is only a governing body because we allow it to be this body, they do not have exclusive rights to how titles, labels (M, IM, GM) are used or awarded.
Example, a FIDE GM title means nothing (has no value) if I or any organization does not recognize that title, this sort of reminds me of how most of the top players felt about some of the FIDE World Champion Events – meaningless, and of little value.
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| There's no point. Cheating is so easy over the internet that a high rating doesn't necessarily indicate a strong player. |
I have to disagree on this issue, with technology OTB play is facing real issues regarding cheating |
Excuse me? Cheating on the internet is absolutely trivial -- just have a chess program running in the background or on another computer if you're being careful. Cheating OTB requires you to do something suspicious such as wearing a concealed headset or visiting the toilet frequently.
Sure, there have been some high-profile allegations of cheating recently but to suggest that OTB chess suffers from the same level of cheating as internet chess is, frankly, ludicrous.
No. FIDE does not use the title `Master' on its own. It only uses it in phrases such as `FIDE Master', `International Master' and so on.
| FIDE is only a governing body because we allow it to be this body |
Yes. As you say, we allow it to be a governing body. Therefore, we allow it to control the titles FM, IM, GM, etc. The point under discussion is what the word `Master' means: currently, by our consent, FIDE gives this word a meaning. Yes, at some point in the future, we might lose faith in FIDE and stop caring about what they think `master' means. But, for the time being, that hasn't happened.
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