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Topic: Best American player of all
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PhilidorUnited States flag
Jul 24 2007 06:55 PM
1. Paul Morphy
2. Bobby Fisher
3. Hikaru Nakamura (Did I spell that right?)

I would have to say in spite of the fact he's never won the world championship (yet...) Nakamura of these three has the best objective skill. Relative to time period however I'd have to say Morphy, as Morphy was greater then Anderssen by a much larger margin then Fisher was greater then Spassky or the (very thin) gap between how much better Topolov is then Nakamura :D

Opinions?

TheAlchemistSlovenia flag
Jul 24 2007 08:26 PM
Fischer, Morphy, Pillsbury, Marshall

DesafianteBrazil flag
Jul 24 2007 10:46 PM
Fischer
Morphy.

If Kamsky was american, I would consider.

PhilidorUnited States flag
Jul 26 2007 06:26 PM
I would add Waitzkin but he only makes IM, he had so much potential but to say IM beats GM is absurd. Nakamura would destroy Pillsbury and Marshall! Maybe relative to time period Pillsbury is better, but in raw objective skill Nakamura beats out both. A Modern GM beats GM from 100 years ago. The Marshall would play unsound gambit which Nakamura takes to a winning endgame. Me hypothisis was subjective, but I don't think a case can be made for Marshall as he was very much in line with the rest of the top level GM's of the day. Now Pillsbury was spectacular finishing ahead of even Laskar in some tournaments. Now Fischer may be the best averaging in raw objective skill with that of how good he was compared to the rest of his day, today's GM's still would beat him though ^_^

TheAlchemistSlovenia flag
Jul 27 2007 11:24 AM
Philidor,

Pillsbury was the (at least) 2nd strongest player at some point in the late 1890's, he won the biggest tournament of the 19th century (Hastings 1895) and had an even (or -1) score with Lasker. If it hadn't been for his illness, he might even have had a shot at the world championship.

Marshall was a top 10 player for almost 20 years (chessmetrics even places him at #2 in 1904), and he won for instance a big tournament in Cambridge Springs 1904 (in a field with Lasker, Janowsky, Chigorin, Schlechter, Pillsbury, Teichmann, Showalter etc.) and a number of other very strong tournaments.

Of course their absolute strength is below Nakamura, but in their own period they were far above him, is he even a top 100 player?

richerbyUnited Kingdom flag
Jul 27 2007 01:04 PM

TheAlchemist wrote: is [Nakamura] even a top 100 player?

He's currently ranked 70th in the world. He was ranked 39th in April but his rating has decreased by 16 points since then and I guess the people around him have gone up, too.

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top.phtml?list=men


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