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Topic: Fianchetto
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bugeyewrxUnited Kingdom flag
Is there a weakness in fianchettoed kings side bishop for white that isn't the same for black ?

If I'm going to have problems with a fianchettoed bishop , it seems much more likely that it will happen if I'm playing white .

I've started to wonder if it because of a difference in the position for white or if it's due to the opening I'm playing with the fianchettoed bishop or some other flaw in my play ;-)


martin

phystutordotcomUnited States flag
If it is sound for black it must be playable with white. Just play a black opening with an extra move to surprise your opponent. The only draw back is overall white score 55% With a less agressive opening white might score only 50%

bugeyewrxUnited Kingdom flag
Thanks for your replies :-)

I've been playing the fianchetto as part of the Reti opening ... so with c4 rather then e4 or d4 .

Just out of interest I've worked a few positions through on an opening explorer . Just the first 6 moves or so , to the point where white castles , both e4 and d4 openings show a 10-15% advantage to white but with the Reti & c4 it's much closer , with very little if any advantage to white .

Another reason has occurred to me . I have a better win ratio as black , as white I've often challenged the other player .... and I usually challenge people with a higher rating ...... %-)

Odie_SpudUnited States flag
Couple of GM’s have opined that White’s extra moves in reversed openings will hurt him. That’s because the aims of White and Black in the opening can’t be the same, they said. The observation is too deep for me to understand what they were talking about though.

whyBishNew Zealand flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

"Rowson argues that Black also has several advantages. First, "White's alleged advantage is also a kind of obligation to play for a win, and Black can often use this to his advantage." Second, "White's 'extra move' can be a burden, and sometimes White finds himself in a mild form of zugzwang ('Zugzwang Lite')." Third, although White begins the game with the initiative, if "Black retains a flexible position with good reactive possibilities, this initiative can be absorbed and often passes over to Black." Fourth, "The fact that White moves before Black often gives Black useful information".[98] Suba likewise argues that White's advantage is actually less than a move, since White must tip his hand first, allowing Black to react to White's plans. Suba writes, "In terms of the mathematical games theory, chess is a game of complete information, and Black's information is always greater—by one move!"[99]"

ALso view the section under
Reversed openings

bugeyewrxUnited Kingdom flag
Interesting stuff from Wikipedia ....

Prompted me to have a look at my games in tournaments , where I can't choose my opponent .

As white : 10 wins , 9 loses and a draw .

As black : 15 wins , 5 loses

So for me it seems black really does have some advantages . TBH it hasn't taken a lot of thought to figure out whats going on here .

As white I play aggressive and attacking chess , it can leave me in a vulnerable position if my attack fails . I'm also more likely to miss a simple mistake that costs me material or position as I'm concentrating on my attack .

As black I'm much more likely to wait until I feel I have a solid and well defended position before attacking a weakness in my opponents position or countering after a failed attack from white .

Now I think that really I knew all this , it's that I never realised how significant it was .

Strange for me that a simple question about bishops has revealed such a fundamental truth about my game :-)

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