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Topic: What should this endgame position be called?
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Well, the first definition is the correct one.
There's a problem in the second definition, in that it doesn't properly cover all possible outcomes. For instance, you can easily imagine a case where a player couldn't move any piece, including their king. That's still a stalemate, and it's a draw, and it has a name ("stalemate"), but you probably don't realise it.
Anyway, maybe you don't understand what stalemate is, and you think your whole conversation is fascinating when in fact it's simply aggravating to most people.
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| I think the dictionary definitions make more sense than the others. |
It's not about what you think makes more sense, there are official rules that you can check on
http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?view=article&id=124 (article 5.2), and this definition is the one that counts.
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| I never realized anyone defined stalemate that way. |
I already told you this. I even posted an example. It shows you don't pay attention.
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I think any of you would have a hard time finding a stalemate definition in a regular dictionary different than the one I posted
(in meaning, not necessarily wording.) So far, I have not seen any. It seems that recently, FIDE and others have changed the definition.
"There's a problem in the second definition, in that it doesn't properly cover all possible outcomes."
That was why I suggested a new name for the position. The "trapmate" position is covered by the new definition of stalemate.
Under the old definition, "trapmate" would need to be defined as a completely different chess position.
However, using the new definition, it could simply be classed as a special type of stalemate.
"I already told you this. I even posted an example. It shows you don't pay attention."
Yes, you and someone else mentioned that definition, but I just glossed over it.
I had the other definition stuck in my head, and did not read carefully enough to realize what you were saying,
till I found that section in the Queen Alice rules. I will try to be more careful in the future.
(I also have the problem of often moving too fast in chess without fully analyzing the opponent's moves, a related problem which I am trying to remedy.)
It goes to show what can happen when one has mental blocks to new ideas.
The point of my post was simply to show a theoretical position which I thought was previously undefined, and give it a definition.
Even if you accept the FIDE definition, surely you all realize that "trapmate" is different than a regular stalemate (which could warrant giving it its own name.)
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What should we call the position?
Fido, Spot
I dont usually name positions. It is a crazy position. I did not want to offend anyone.
please dont call it Doran
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