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Topic: What should this endgame position be called?
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| (...) surely you all realize that "trapmate" is different than a regular stalemate (...) |
Why, no I don't. No, I don't agree with you. It's a stalemate, and that's pretty much there is to it.
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"smothered" stalemate at worse, to parallel the smoothed mate definition... but it's still a stalemate.
Maybe you should try to understand that.
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Evjen,
Maybe what you're failing to understand is the meaning of 'legal move'. When it is said that 'the player can make no legal move', it means he can not move without putting the king in check. It refers to moving either the king or any other piece.
Since you like dictionaries definitions, try this:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalemate --> "a drawing position in chess in which a player is not in checkmate but has no legal move to play"
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I don't think much of this online Oxford definition of stalemate:
a situation in which a player cannot successfully move any of their pieces and the game ends without a winner. [My underlining]
This is unclear, as it could also apply to checkmate.
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"Maybe what you're failing to understand is the meaning of 'legal move'."
I understand the meaning of 'legal move.'
The thing that makes "trapmate" different from regular stalemate is that in normal stalemates,
ignoring the rule against moving into check, the king is the only piece that can move.
In "trapmate," no piece can move even if you ignore this rule.
Congratulations on finding a dictionary definition that matches FIDE's. I guess some dictionaries are now going along with the new definition.
(I would also congratulate Onceupon, but he did not realize that the online Oxford definition also agrees with the FIDE definition, although it is worded differently.  )
"I don't think much of this online Oxford definition of stalemate:"
How can you not like an Oxford definition? You are, after all from the United Kingdom. 
"This is unclear, as it could also apply to checkmate."
The online Oxford definition is just another way of wording the FIDE definition of stalemate, as long as you pay attention to the part that you did not underline.
If the game ends with no winner, then it is definitely not checkmate. (Saying a game ends with no winner is another way of saying "draw.")
(Incidentally, I also dislike the online Oxford dictionary's definition, but for a different reason.
I doubt our old Oxford has the same definition as the online one, but I have not checked it yet.)
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